Hicks excuses fail to convince, time they moved on

Tom Hicks has today made yet another bungle in his long list of errors and misjudgements since taking over at Anfield with the nowadays silent George Gillett.

Reports on Friday night that hit the papers on Saturday morning spoke of Jurgen Klinsmann having been offered the Liverpool job before accepting his new role as manager at Bayern Munich. Liverpool FC refused to comment on the stories, and remained silent throughout the weekend.

However that silence was making things much worse for them. There was little doubt that they had approached Klinsmann, the rumours were far too strong and had come from far too many directions in the football world, in the US, the UK and in Europe.

Rafa’s position was being made increasingly difficult.

Added to this was the speculation that Hicks and Gillett were about to sell out to DIC if they couldn’t get that loan refinanced.

Today Hicks made a number of contradictions when trying to explain recent events to the Liverpool Echo.

In an article headlined, ‘Tom Hicks: Jurgen Klinsmann “only an insurance”‘, Tony Barrett gets the scoop of the year so far as far as Liverpool are concerned. The restrictions Tony faces when reporting on such matters mean he perhaps can’t say what he’d like with regards the quotes from Hicks. The paper has always tried to be careful not to offend the top brass at the club, and the editor of the paper, part of the same group as the Daily Mirror, would not allow the article to be pitched too far in opposition to the owners.

Hicks’ story is full of holes, when compared to previous statements, and suggests he either assumes Liverpool supporters are slow-witted imbeciles, or perhaps hasn’t the wit to check his previous statements first to avoid making those contradictions.

The Echo say that Hicks and Gillett met Klinsmann in Hicks’ other home, in Southern California. This meeting took place during the US Thanksgiving Holiday. The 2007 date for Thanksgiving was November 22nd, the day before the never-to-be-forgotten press conference where Rafa repeated the “concentrating on coaching my team” mantra. The following day was the Newcastle match at St James’s Park, where Rafa wore his tracksuit and trainers instead of his usual suit.

At that time Liverpool had just won their previous two matches – the 8-0 Champions League win over Besiktas and the 2-0 win over Fulham in the league. They were still unbeaten in the league and certainly still capable – despite having had less invested than the likes of Chelsea and Manchester United – of challenging for the league.

The owners’ plot included wining and dining both Klinsmann and his wife Debbie, Klinsmann being told he’d be the perfect for the club should Benitez either leave the club or be fired.

Hicks admitted that an offer was made to Klinsmann – but claims it was purely an “insurance policy”. He now says that Benitez has his full support. Unfortunately his word means very little these days.

Rafa has always maintained that at a meeting following the draw with Arsenal on October 28th that everything was fine between him and the owners. But it’s known that Foster Gillett disappeared from England after that game, only returning in December. Back at that October meeting Liverpool had already failed to win those first three Champions League games. Yet the owners did not tell Rafa of any problems with that situation.

The Arsenal game was followed with a Carling Cup win over Cardiff and a goalless draw with Blackburn, before those wins over Besiktas and Fulham.

After the Fulham game came the international break. A number of Liverpool’s players were on international duty, and those that weren’t were injured. Rafa had more time than normal to look at transfers. Transfers he’d discussed following that Arsenal game. But the owners had seemingly lost interest. They and Rick Parry were trying to fob him off; Foster had already disappeared, perhaps to ensure he didn’t let the cat out of the bag about Klinsmann.

Hicks has claimed through the Echo that it was doubt about the Reds progress in the Champions League – following the Besiktas defeat back in October – alongside “communication problems” that made them turn to Klinsmann as a so-called contingency.  In actual fact the time from the Arsenal game until the time of the Newcastle game was pretty much the thirty days Hicks said it would take for their refinancing application to be approved. It’s still not been approved now, almost another two months down the line.

Exactly what the “communication problems” could be that were sufficient enough to line up a replacement is hard to work out. Foster Gillett may have disappeared, for reasons still unknown, but Rafa just wanted to move forward with plans he’d already discussed a couple of weeks earlier. He was told then that the plans he had were fine. Yet four weeks later they weren’t. Why? Had the owners got money worries? Or was it something else?

Hicks explains, or tries to: “In November, when it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, weren’t playing well in our Premier League matches, and Rafa and we were having communication issues over the January transfer window, George and I met with Jurgen Klinsmann to learn as much as we could about English and European football.”

For two weeks of November there were no fixtures, since they’d last seen Rafa Liverpool had at least got the Champions League back on track with that 8-0 win and they were still unbeaten in the league. And now Hicks is adding to his claims that the meeting with Klinsmann was to help them learn a bit more about the game of football over here! Which is it? To learn about the game, or to offer him Rafa’s job?

It seems it was the latter really: “”He is a very impressive man. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become our manager in the event Rafa decided to leave our club for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason.”

Real Madrid had not been rumoured in any reputable English press articles at that time. Rafa was also under contract for another two-and-a-half years. To use that as an excuse is nonsense.

Hicks told the Echo that when they finally managed to get their backsides across the Atlantic, and then after a few days in the country finally talk to Rafa, that they then suddenly realised that there was now no need to go any further in their move for Klinsmann.

A few days after that meeting Hicks used Sports Illustrated to belittle Rafa, claiming he “pouted” when told to concentrate on coaching. The fact he’d perhaps just found out they’d interviewed his replacement had nothing to do with that then? Rick Parry used the BBC to warn Rafa publicly that he had to keep quiet in public about club policy. Gillett spoke at a party before pretty much disappearing again.

Rafa has never said he wanted to leave Liverpool. The one time that happened was well before the Moores sold out to the Americans, and Rafa chose Liverpool above his boyhood idols. He and his wife and kids love the country and the city; he loves the club and the fans. He was promised so much yet given very little by comparison. Now he’s being blamed for the owners talking to Klinsmann – it’s back to them being worried he was going to leave! Hicks said: “After George and I had our long and productive meeting with Rafa following the Man United match, we put all of our issues behind us and received Rafa’s commitment that he wanted to stay with Liverpool.” Rafa’s commitment has never been in doubt Mr Hicks. Where’s your commitment to Rafa? We don’t trust your word; it’s been shown not to be worth a great deal.

Klinsmann never signed the contract with the Americans, probably because he knew his popularity would start off very low and would struggle to increase, and also probably when considering that if this sneaky way of doing business and managing key staff is how the American work, it was perhaps as well he steered clear. Hicks says: “We never reached agreement on an option with Jurgen, and we are both pleased for him that he has a great opportunity to return to Germany and coach a great club team.”

It’s the first time we’ve heard anything close to support for Rafa from Hicks, but it sounds hollow: “Rafa has both of our support, and our communication has greatly improved. Foster, Rick Parry and Rafa now have regular meetings at Melwood on Monday mornings. The two families always try to have a telephonic meeting on Monday afternoons, so we all are on the same page. We all want to win more games.”

The way to show that support for Rafa is to extend his contract. But in reality the damage has already been done. The owners just can’t be trusted. Rafa has earned a lot of respect from Liverpool fans and this respect has allowed him some time to make mistakes, and some patience from the fans. That patience is running out, but it does remain. The owners have done nothing to earn respect from the supporters, quite the opposite, and so patience is something they will struggle to get.

They say they invited Klinsmann over for Thanksgiving because they wanted to learn about football on this side of the pond, then they say they got him in to ask him if he’d mind awfully being the backup should Rafa be sacked or leave.

They claim they thought Rafa might leave because of press reports linking him with Real Madrid “and other clubs”. Which other clubs? When did these reports come out, and were they from anyone remotely reliable?

They also claim that they were considering firing him because of poor results in the league. Yet from the Arsenal game where they were happy until Thanksgiving only had two league games – one was a draw and the other win, and they were still undefeated in the league. They certainly weren’t out of touch of the top. They’re further away from that now, having had three draws in their last three games, so surely Rafa is now under even more of a threat?

The Champions League dropped points had already happened before that Arsenal game; by the time Thanksgiving came along they’d got back on track with an 8-0 win.

There’s also an admission via another Echo story that they had almost come to a deal with DIC for the Arabs to buy a share in the club. Their high valuation of that shareholding blocked the deal. It also alerted DIC to the troubles the owners are in, hence their sitting in the wings waiting for their opportunity to take over. Yet back at the end of November, Rick Parry told the Daily Post, that the stories talking of Hicks looking at selling shares was untrue: “I have seen the story, and as far as I am aware it is complete rubbish,” Parry said at the time.

Chris Bascombe has taken a lot of stick over his reporting, when he was at the Echo and even more now that he’s at the News of the World. But he’d certainly got enough contacts to find out most of the truth that Thanksgiving weekend, with the gaps being filled in during the following weeks.

The owners have used a mixture of lies, spin and silence to avoid owning up to the truth about their intentions. Forget “Snoogy Doogy” and talk of being custodians. They’ve no intention of putting anything of their own into this club, and judging by their ill-advised – if they even were advised – plan to install the failed manager that is Jurgen Klinsmann then it seems they really just don’t care all that much what happens on the field.

This time they’ve gone too far. Already there is deep-seated anger from more and more supporters at the way they are handling our club. And already fans are discussing ways of making this known to the owners. It should also be made known to the financial institutions the owners are speaking to, because they need to know that the owners are not what they make themselves out to be. They’ve not got a clue how to run a football club, and there is a serious risk that the club’s status will fall under their ownership. Liverpool could easily drop out of the top four, even the top six, by employing inexperienced coaches and failing to try and invest in the team at the same rate as their rivals. Another year’s revenue from the new stadium has been lost due to their pathetic showing off of a stadium they couldn’t afford. All in all these owners stand to ruin this club. It’s only a matter of time before they remove their rubber masks to reveal they are actually Neville Neville and Norman Whiteside.

They need to do a lot more than this to even start to win the supporters over. And I believe it’s already too late. Time they left. Time the financial institutions were warned – there’s a vote of “No Confidence” in Hicks and Gillet.

63 thoughts on “Hicks excuses fail to convince, time they moved on”

  1. I tell you, I’m spitting blood.

    I feel conned! I feel let down! I feel so so frustrated!

    Somehow, someone, has to move these guys on.

    Irresppective of how good a businessmen they may or may not be. The way they are running our club is beyond a joke.

    I want a club we can all enjoy not a business.

    Hicks and Gillett go and go now. Whatever way you need to do it – Just do it!

  2. The club is in shambles, rotting right from the core.

    Everybody is uncertain about the future of the club.

    My LFC, we’ve sold the club to the devils.

    Please DIC, rescue us from HELL!!!

  3. The way they are treating Rafa is an absolute disgrace . We should not stand for it .
    We should get these owners out .
    Rafa puts his heart and soul into the club , he is one of the best managers in the world and he is treated like this .
    I am embarresed to be a fan and am very sorry Rafa for the way you are being treated .
    GET THEM OUT NOW

  4. The “custodians” have been a porblem to our club since they set foot on it!! They’re killing this club and we’re falling behind our rivals.
    For the sake of our beloved club PLEASE just SELL YOUR SHARES and go back where you came from ’cause you have stabbed every Liverpool supporter on his back.
    Rafa is intouchable and I hope he stay as the Liverpool manager for years to come.
    Long Live Rafa!!!
    Jesmond Moore
    Malta

  5. Thanks Mr Moores. If you had an ounce of integrity left, you would come out and talk to the ECHO about your reasons for selling to these two cowboys.

  6. This is one of the best articles I’ve read in a long time, in terms of facts. Well written.

    On another not, I am a lifelong Liverpool supporter and agree with the comments above, the Yanks are ruining my beloved team and ripping it apart. They cannot afford to buy the quality players we need, nor fund the stadium. I watched the live press conference when they arrived saying we wouldnt be saddled with any debt – CRAP.

    Why do they want to own a club they cannot afford? For the love of god, please sell to someone who can afford it and cares about our club. DIC are my number one choice. They back Rafa 100%, they have money to invest and they support Liverpool – PLEASE save us.

    In Rafa we trust, YNWA.

  7. Here, here,

    Time to stand up and be heard, time to protest and show them they are unwelcome. Time to say goodbye.

    The more that comes from this site the better, excellent analysis and sentiment that seem to echo the true (though sometimes silent) majority of the KOP.

  8. ONLINE PETITION

    Like the online petition supporting Rafa, can somebody with the relevant knowledge please start an online petition requesting Hicks and Gilette sell the club.

    I wil certainly sign it because the way the club is being run couldnt be any further from the Liverpool Way.

    We are officially a club in crisis.

    Time for change is now.

  9. I am digusted never written to a site before but something needs to be done……..we need these dishonourable disgusting people out and this includes parry and the idiot Moores who reneged on a deal he had shaken hands on with DIC only to sell to two no marks for an extra few quid….

  10. Get out Mr Hicks. Dont you come back no more no more. Mooores Mooores. why did you sell to the bull frog Hicks?

    DIC DIC.

    tHE MANCS ARE LAUGHING AT US.

    Lets get toegether and do something guys.

  11. Best article i have read in a very long time. Its a pity that Rick Parry is just looking out for himself!

  12. Shame your all paper-buddies, Ive been a fan for over 40 years, travel alot with liverpool when i was younger …. the people pulling this club down are the fans moaning ……. Im ashamed to be associated, I can’t judge the owners as they haven’t had long enough to prove what they can do but rafa discussed me with his press rant and then the tracksuit thing on the touchline ….. is our club about moaning and hissy-fits to get what you want …. thats called being spoilt!!! This club is in crisis because the fans and manager couldn’t handle change, it seems man u are not only better at football but also better at handling change, when they were taken over there was some complaints but in general terms, the fans gave it time, now look at them, a financial giant, now look at us… we cant handle change, we wont give the new owners the time to set things up, the manager is moaning, the fans are moaning ….. whats the difference, the difference is we wont give the owners a chance to turn this club around financially, so we can afford to buy £20m players …. sorry guys I’m so use to being able to rely on my fellow reds in times of stress but not anymore, we are not the 12th man anymore, we are just moaning fans … very sad!!!

  13. Dear Liverpool faithful

    Please show Rafa surport tomorrow & LET THOSE TWO IDIOTS KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF THEM WORLDWIDE. IN RAFA WE TRUST

  14. Great article with great facts.
    The American clowns have got to go.We are in real danger of becoming another Leeds Utd.
    They approached a man with no club management experience and who reached the semis of a competition in his own country which is nothing and yet these 2 fools would have made him our manager.
    Get out and get out now.
    DIC please save us!!!!!!!

  15. Just a fact to remember …. we were this bad before the yank owners took over ……. they didnt make us this bad, we did that all by ourselves! fans moaned before xmas that they weren’t being honest with the fans, now they are being honest, there still no good, this is a whitch hunt and one Im not prepared to be involved in!

  16. Caveat: I am an American.

    I have been lucky enough to travel to Liverpool recently and Anfield in particular. The people are friendly, the supporters passionate, and the atmosphere unique and special. But what I have come to realize about football in England is that it self perpetuates paranoia when things aren’t going well and in particular when there is a longer spell of futility. I obviously cannot identify with those of you who have lived through the Shankly and Paisley glory years but I do support this club like any other and just have no idea why there is such vitriol for the ownership. What the hell is wrong with you people? If you want to allocate blame, put it on the inability to finish after generating several chances per game. If you want to allocate blame, take a good hard look at the manager and the inability to get over the league “hump” so to speak. I get the loyalty for Rafa but if you’re fickle attitudes are consistent and true, the only reason you have a loyalty to Rafa is because of the Champions League and FA Cup silverware. You can’t argue intelligently that the rotation has been anything but an unmitigated disaster as it relates to Liverpool FC”s ability to mount a serious title challenge. So you go directly for the throats of the owners. These are the same guys who shelled out money for Fernando Torres and other talent who without them, and Fernando in particular, would probably be sitting mid-table right now. And so the faithful get several stories, one by the author of the above article who is halfway articulate and ostensibly knowledgeable about the subject matter and the owners are the devils incarnate? I’ll tell you what, the real crumbling of the empire won’t come from the ownership or the management, it will crumble from the weight of the misinformation, paranoia, and frenzy whipped up amongst themselves. English football is results driven. Period. Liverpool FC can be bought and sold fifty more times in the next fifty years, and the only owner, manager, or player that will win the respect of your ilk of support, is the one who wins the league. Tell me that is not the case. If you do, you’re all lying to yourselves. Where were you last year when DIC wanted to purchase the club. Exactly! Scared to death. I truly hope this sorts itself out before you all start hurling yourselves off the Liverbird building. But if you think calling ownership the devils and hoping above all else that DIC comes in and saves Liverpool and that Rafa is spared his managers position is the answer to Liverpool’s woes, you will surely find the next several months HELL on earth.

  17. Even in Zimbabwe we know when people are out to make a fast buck. Will the new owners please sell and never set foot at our glorious club again. Mr Parry cant
    wait for your interview on Liverpool TV.
    keep the faith
    IN RAFA WE TRUST

  18. Re:reikirebel

    If Man U fans are so good go join them.You seem to have forgotten how the Man U fans treated the Glaziers and you also seem to have forgotten that Man U have 130million worth of debt thanks to the glaziers.

    In fact you seem to also forget the fact that hicks n Gillett have gone behind our managers back and have attempted to hire another manager for his job.

    Wise up,it’s fans like you with blind faith that can’t see us turning into another Leeds.

  19. Marc

    What a load of bullshit. No disrespect but being an American yourself I would expect you to side with the owners of our club.

    But one thing is clear, you really should get your facts straight before posting such drivvel and attacking your ‘fellow supporters’. Yes they shelled out for Torres, but what you fail to remember is, Rafa had to sell a lot of players in the summer, in actual fact the Chuckle brothers only actually shelled out around £20m in players as the rest was recoupled by selling others. woopy doo – Man U paid that on a holding midfielder.

    You clearly have no idea of the Liverpool way so maybe it’s best not to shout your mouth off to your fellow supporters who have a far greater knowledge of their club than you.

    DIC for owners, In Rafa we trust

    YNWA

  20. Marc…………. The owners haven’t shelled out for Torres they just added more money to the debt the club will be saddled with.Most of the recent money spent has been done so by selling other players.

    You don’t seem to comprehend that in this country we expect the owners of our top football clubs to actually support the clubs manager not always with money but to actually come out and say they support the manager and don’t go around offering his job to people with no club management experience.Its not asking much .

  21. Totally agree with all the previous comments and wander why we sold to them in the first place, was it greed of the shareholders being given a better share price rather than whats best fior the club?

  22. Like shooting fish in a barrel…. All it took was to say I was American and the response is that I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about. Typical shite! Just answer these questions for me Einstein’s and then go ahead and disparage and insult the American to your bloody “red” hearts are content.

    1. Steven Gerrard, the unquestioned captain and most loyal scouser in the organization has done nothing as leader of the team to express his full backing of the manager on behalf of the team. Why?

    2. Is the LIverpool way, as a manager, to air your grievances in public, to the press? [You think Shankly or Paisley would have done this?]

    3. Is Liverpool FC progressing sufficiently to give you lifelong, learned supporters who disparaged me, confidence that the rotation and Rafa’s “way” will be good enough to win the premiership? And if so, how long finishing third or fourth before it’s not?

    4. Did you throw your complete, undivided support for DIC when they bid for the club last year?

    5. Will your whining, furious, irrational rage do anything to help the club out of its current situation?

    If you answered “No” to more than three of these questions then you’re really blind to what the hell has been going on at the club for the past three years.

    Just in response to the Fred and Steve, yeah, no kidding, sure there was revenue generated from the sale of players that factored in, but how about giving a complete picture regarding the way acquisitions are made. And how bloody ironic is it that you use ManU to support your arguments! Unbelievable. Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the ownership have final say as to who to bring in and at what price? How about Benayoun, Babel, and now Skrtel? What a shite analogy you’ve drawn with Leeds. You know damn well there is no logic to that analogy. Even the author of the above article drew the distinction. Sure there were offsets with the sale of players, but isn’t that good business? It’s not like we let Gerrard, Reina, and Carragher be sold to finance the purchase of Torres. Name one of those players we sold that would have made a difference this season in the point total. The reason LFC isn’t closer to the top this season is the number of draws. Period. It is a finishing issue, the talent of the club is there. Did you watch the Middlesbrough fixture? Do you think morale is high at the club? Watch the way they play and look at the body language of the players. I’m glad I chose to disclose the “American” caveat early on. So pile on boys!

  23. Re:reikirebel

    I totally agree with 1FredTheRed comments, let’s not forget the petitions, demonstrations and several thousand loyal fans leaving the club to set up FC United and vowing never to return until the Glaziers leave the club.
    In response to Marc, the current owners came to Liverpool promising us the world i.e. the best stadium in the world, the greatest team in the world by backing Rafa in the market and making us a world widw brand. The facts are they got carried away with all the Champions League euphoria and atmosphere and reality has bitten. They haven’t used any of their own money and nor will they, how can you run a football club from the other side of the world. For all Rafa’s faults and he does have them, he puts his heart and soul into and his frustration was evident for us all to see.
    I honestly believe they are desperate to sell and DIC are hopefully playing a cagey game to ensure they get the best price for them. The man who should hang his head is Rick Parry, he switched his allegance from DIC to the owners at the last minute (was it the £0.5m) and if they do sell, he should also fall on his sword and leave. I willnot put any blame on David Moores he placed his faith in Parry, unfortunately.
    The one note of caution, is that DIC may also want a change of manager, so Rafa’s position is not guaranteed.

    I still have faith in Rafa but it is diminishing with some of his decisions, but we are now finding the situation he is in and teh difficulties he has on a day to day basis.

    Keep the faith

  24. 1 Leeds were mismanaged by both manager and owners and down they went.
    2 The players sold were expendable but the money brought in was used to buy others the owners have not actually dipped into their own pockets.
    3 I never mentioned Man U
    4 I never mentioned your nationality
    5 Don’t the owners have a duty to back their manager
    6 I backed the DIC takeover 100% just look at what they have done to the horse racing scene its been revolutionised.
    7 Maybe Gerrard wants to keep his job. I have my doubts about Benitez and maybe Gerrard does too but he gives 100% on the pitch.After all you have slated Benitez for going to the press yet you question Gerrard for not going to the media.

    If we as fans don’t voice our opinions via forums and fan websites we will end up meek like your fellow countrymen and get led on a merry dance by American cranks like you have been since Bush came to power.How many times have you been to Anfield and stood with the masses and supported your team?

    How about you answer some questions such as
    Why will the owners not back our manager?
    If they don’t want him why don’t they sack him?
    Why does Hicks blame the media for reporting that Benitez was looking elsewhere to justify his approach to Klinsmann?
    Why did they promise us a stadium they can’t afford?
    Why doesn’t Gillett ever say anything to the fans?
    Why have Hicks and Gillett gone to DIC to seek investment?

    And the biggest question of all

    WHY DON’T THEY JUST F**K OFF HOME AND LEAVE OUR CLUB ALONE INSTEAD OF USING IT AS A CASH COW THATS GONE UP IN VALUE FROM 350M TO AN INCREDIBLE 1BILLION.

  25. Caveat: The american

    Liverpool FC do not air their dirty washing in public. They either back their man publicly or deal with him privately. This is where Hicks and Gillete have fallen down.

    They promised a fantastic stadium that they obviously could not deliver. They are borrowing money against the club which they said they would not do. They claim to have invested in the club when the money to buy Torres was borrowed. They need not have borrowed this as £26million was recovered in player sales and the champions league run was worth £20m so this should of covered all transfers. We are sick of lies and the lack of personal investment from these imbiceles. And on top of this they wanted to appoint a rookie club manager, who also happens to of spent any time he was at Anfield cheating!!! Not a popular choice.

    The problem is not their nationality. The problem is their dishonesty and stupidity

  26. Well said 1FredTheRed.

    Marc, I was born and raised a red and I like all other supporters welcome supporters from other countries with open arms but one thing I cannot stand is when a fellow ‘supporter’ comes on here having a pop at all of us. Banter is one thing, but coming onto this board slating the manager, supporters and everone else is a disgrace. Do yourself a favour and support Man U and leave our club alone – and meybe you can pass that message on to your buddies Hicks and Gillette too.

  27. Steve and Fred the Red:

    Don’t drag the rest of the supporters into this and scapegoat me. I specifically addressed you two who obviously aren’t the entire contingent of supporters.

    I’m calling you out specifically on certain points and actually agree with you on certain points. Listen, I don’t give a shit if you both hate the Americans, myself , or George Bush [which by the way one of you was correct in your assessment of Bush]. And Fred so you say you mentioned nothing of my nationality and then slag me off with the “American Cranks like you” comment. Well said you hypocrite!
    I agree with both of you regarding the ownership. They’ve screwed this one up significantly in several areas. Maybe it is time for new ownership. Hopefully stability will bring more rationality. But don’t think for a second that you can lay off all the blame in one area without seeing what is happening on the pitch. So….Steve and Fred what about that? What about their lack of finishing ability this year? Is that the fault of ownership? What about the rotation? Answer the damn question(s) that cannot be solved by new ownership and maybe there will be some productivity. With regard to Gerrard, there is a significant difference and distinction to be made between Rafa whining about the transfer situation in public and Gerrard simply reiterating his support for the manager. Rafa’s rant on the one hand was negative in nature while what we’d like to see from the captain when his manager is being linked with a sacking is his support for him. His silence says alot in and of itself. There is no question Rafa has done some very positive things for the club, but again, if you answer this question then maybe you’ll see where I’m coming from: Is LFC progressing sufficiently under Rafa in league play to the point where we should be making a legitimate run for the trophy? If not, how long does he get? Or better yet how long are you as lifelong supporters content with 3rd and 4th place finishes?

  28. brilliant note, lets stick behind rafa and get these americans out. Lets get a online vote active to gather some momentum against the yanks and rick parry.

    And can we nominate some one to write a communication to Mr Ansari (DIC) group to listen to the plea of the fans and come and provide a takeover from these jokers.

    please please let get the fans on baord and do something about this. its the first step and the fans have the power.

  29. You guys have all got good points:

    1. We have been ‘stiffed’ on the deal by our current owners. Business men, not fans!
    2. We haven’t finished well and have drawn too many matches in the league.

    But the investment in the club has not been there, we have had long term injuries to a number of players, leading to a shortfall in defensive cover (e.g.Agger). We did not buy any defenders till Skretel, even though we needed him in the summer. The stadium has been shelved as they cannot finance it, they are even trying to buy the clkub with borrowed money, which isn’t enough as they are struggling to finish the takeover by the February deadline.

    The money on Torres was recouped from outgoing transfers, additional money from cup runs and the league. Also, from this season we have had an added injection of money from the TV money (£50 million). We had the money at the club, the money was never from the owners.

    Look at West Ham, Sunderland etc. Where did there money come from last season and this summer, this was all based on the increased TV money from the new £2 billion tv deals. West Ham have only shown a moderate loss in their latest finacials.

    Hicks is an idiot and Gillet is a wimp. Forget that turncoat Parry and the invisible man Foster. We don’t and never did need Klinsmann.

    YNWA Rafa

  30. To marc, I’ve supported Liverpool all my life, and well all i can say is the way you’re asking the questions makes you look stupid to every intelligent Liverpool fan.

    Let’s answer your questions shall we?

    are Liverpool making good progress….NO (the answer you obviously expected to hear), but ask yourself why, it’s not through lack of trying, Benitez is doing well with what he has, if ManU can by 8 players for £20m and Liverpool by one for £20m who do you think will have the better team? Benitez asked for lots of money and got enough to just buy Torres (if he also sold players!). Benitez asks to buy Mascherano, hicks says sell a player like Sissoko and we’ll see. How can you expect to achieve better than 4th place if you don’t get that financial backing? Even Eriksson is getting more money for new player then Benitez.

    You see Benitez need support; you think the Glazers question Alex Ferguson? You know you make me so ******* angry because you think the Americans are right to sack Benitez, you don’t win la lega twice if you’re not a good manager, ask anyone (except gillet and hicks).

    We need people like DIC who are willing to support the manger and give him equal financial standing when compared to Chelsea, Arsenal, and Manu.

    So stop looking at this through tainted glass, people who question the sanctity of the manager should be shot after he won us the champion’s league.

  31. Rafa is a LEGEND, get DIC in to give him money for real signing!

    YANKS OUT

    YANKS OUT

    YANKS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. You know what makes me sick, Mr Moores who proclaims to have loved LFC all his life selling to 2 fakes who promised the world and give us nothing. I knew from day 1 this that we had made the wrong choice and now i am being proved right. Mr Moores and Parry even more so, you both disgust me. I hope you are both happy with yourselves as we are quickly turning into the laughing stock of english football. Please DIC come and save us, its plain to see we need some real investment, and quickly. YNWA

  33. To SIN…

    If you’re so intelligent then tell me why you’ve compared this club ONLY to the Mancs and completely overlooked the success of Arsene Wenger over at Arsenal who has done absolutely brilliantly spending next to nothing on high priced transfers. And then look at their financial situation. The Emirates generating wads of cash and certainly in better financial condition than LFC are at the moment and doing so without financing one player at more than 15 million pounds. Explain that to me? So don’t give me that intelligent LFC supporter bullshit.
    The only reason I chose to comment on your sacred blog at all is because it never ceases to amaze me at how hyper-sensitive one can be. So you think I should be shot? Brilliant! How intelligent is that? Rafa won us the Champions League? Are you kidding me? We were down three goals inside of one half and the heroic players who refused to concede and lay down willed themselves to that victory. You think Rafa had anything to do with the comeback? Yeah, real intelligent. Don’t worry this will be a short lived existence on this site, with ridiculous supporters like you SIN, you’ll force anyone interested in seeing Liverpool succeed to seek logic elsewhere. What a ridiculously unintelligent post SIN. Remember this SIN professional sports is a results driven business. The supporters, owners, players, management are all on the same page on that issue. So your “he’s trying” crying bullshit is exactly the reason we’ll never win the league as long as finishing 3rd and 4th is tolerable. You think you’re angry? I’d rather you direct your anger at me, I can take it. Obviously you’re one of the hyper-sensitive “intelligent” supporters who can’t.

  34. Marc if you are going to spout your shite at least take the time to read what genuine fans (not some half baked “soccer” loving yank like yourself) have to say.

    I am no hypocrite I pointed out a simple fact which was that I never mentioned your nationality however since you insisted on tarnishing me with that brush I have duly obliged.As ever you are a paranoid american perhaps in the same mold as mr hicks (who’s attitude is if the british press state it, it must be true.

    Rafa has made mistakes as all managers do and of course we the fans have a moan its what fans do its what makes our game so great its all about opinions and debate. The fans make this club what it is , and if Rafa has our support then he should stay but if the majority of fans don’t believe in him then he must go.At this point in time he is supported we aren’t Newcastle we have patience something you seem to lack as you sit over there 1000’s of miles away, just like our so called owners. How long have Ferguson and Wenger been at their clubs?

    If you don’t have the patience go find another” franchise” .

  35. I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING
    I AM PLEASED TO SEE OTHER FELLOW SUPPORTERS’ POINT OF VIEWS. BUT,

    MARC MY WORD : STUPPIIIIDDDDD

    IT IS IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CLUB. RAFA , STEVIE ARE DOING THEIR PART.

    SURELY WE MUST BE MORE LEATHAL IN FRONT OF GOAL BUT DIDN’T RAFA SAY THAT BEFORE?DIDN’T HE FIGHT TO GET TORRES WHO IS ALMOST SCORING A GOAL A GAME NOW .
    I REALLY DO NOT SEE HOW YOU CAN CRITICISE STEVEN GERRARD ‘S LOYALTY TO THIS CLUB.YOU KNOW HE WOULD ‘VE BEEN WEARING BLUE BY NOW,HAD HE WANTED TO …
    WHY? BECAUSE OF RICK PARRY’S EFFORTS.THE SAME GUY WHO CERTAINLY KNOWS BETTER ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE CLUB’S PRESENT ORDEALS.BUT HE ISN’T…

    ARE THE NEW OWNERS DOING THEIR PART ?
    UNTIL NOW NO
    BEGGARS TO FINANCE A NEW STADIUM THEY PROMISED,BACKSTABBERS TO THE BEST MANAGER AND SET OF SUPORTERS…

    MARC YOU SEEM SMARTER THAN TO FIGHT A LOSING BATTLE. HOW DOES HICKS’ COMMENTS ABOUT KLINSMANN HELP THIS CLUB?

  36. Professional sports is a results driven business????
    Crikey…….
    I much prefer:
    “This Is Anfield”
    “We Are Liverpool”
    “It’s not life or death, It’s More Important”
    Some people just don’t get it!

  37. GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS! GO HOME YANKS!

    IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST! IN RAFA WE TRUST!

  38. This is disgraceful to see so many people be fair-weather fans jumping on the band wagon created by a biased article. The Americans brought so much talent in the transfers this Summer, and haven’t even had the chance to prove themselves yet. GIVE THE AMERICANS A CHANCE.

  39. To mark,
    I’m sorry I overlooked arsenal, haven’t you overlooked Chelsea? i think you may have, you’ve also not taken into account the amount of time Wenger was allowed before he won anything at arsenal.
    Hypersensitive? Lol, yeah right! You think you have the right to call me hypersensitive because I back the manger that it doing so well with limited funds?? arsenal maybe doing well but that’s because Wenger had been in charge of the youth policy since day one, Benitez only took over Liverpools this summer, give him time and you’ll see he doesn’t need money for long term success, but if you Americans demand it then give him some fucking money instead of talking to shitty managers behind his back.
    So your point is what now?
    Arsenal! That’s it!!!!!!!!! Lol
    Benitez spent less then arsenal to win la lega (TWICE)! You understand that right? He had full control of the youth academy there, and now he’s being given control of the liverpool youth academy (i.e. this summer) you’ll start to see results (note it took arsenal 3 seasons to get good players out of it so why not give Benitez this time?)
    You may want to be inpatient (i.e. demand “4th/3rd is not good enough”) and so be it, if that the way you want it, then give the man some money. I hate people that are so unrealistic, as you.
    What do you actually know about Liverpool? Huh? Results driven business! Lol! Do you know LFC? We demand results (but there realistic), you idiots demand results, money, and for what? If you put very little in, you get very little out.
    The Champions league! It was all the players your sooo right, Benitez did substitute Smicer on though, he did change the formation, but I’m guessing that had nothing to do with it right? Benitez is a tactician, and his strategy in the 2nd half worked. Your logic makes no sense either way, if we lose it’s the managers fault if we win then it’s the players that deserve the credit. Seriously and you have the nerve to question people’s intellect after such a comment? I’m glad all other LFC supporters don’t share your logic; otherwise we’d be just another Newcastle.
    You must see a common theme here; you post a blog, someone posts a reply actually from Liverpool and who actually goes to the games to discredit your statements, why is that? Why has nobody stood up for you? Maybe where all hypersensitive? Nope, it’s because people like you claim to know what’s good for our football club, just like you know how to pick a good president! I maybe hypersensitive, so what? Does that make me a less informed fan? Nope, it just means I tell it how it is, and defend my club; what’s your excuse?

  40. In selling Liverpool to the Americans, Moores undid all that his family given to the Club and the city. In my view he has betrayed his family and his fellow fans. You simply cannot sell the loyality and adoration of milions of fans worlwide so that can be farmed and milked for profit.

    Liverpool should be owned by the fans, the model being that of a sporting club FC Barcelona. The great sadness is that Moore’s could have delivered this. I fear there will never be another opportunity…..should there be any ‘red Knights’ out there ready to buy out the curreny custodians and facilitate the transfer to the fans….Dalglish for Club President!

  41. Marc,

    Are you actually a Liverpool supporter or do you support Arsenal/United/Whoever and fancied upsetting some people?!

    Marc: “These are the same guys who shelled out money for Fernando Torres and other talent who without them, and Fernando in particular, would probably be sitting mid-table right now.”

    Objectivity time Marc: Exactly what do we have to thank the Americans for money wise?! We got to the final of the Champions League and received significant extra funding from increased television rights windfalls and yet spent £20 odd miliion net?! WTF? A normal season we would have spent 20 million but our net spend shouldve been much greater. Rafa realised this was going to be the case after Athens and made it public that Money had to be spent – because he knew what the Americans were promising. THAT is the real reason the owners want him out – because they know that he wont simply be a puppet which they can control as they wish (like Parry) and realised at that moment that Rafa would indirectly expose their dishonesty in their intentions regarding their purpose for buying the club. But lets not be entirely naive here – 2 people from another country taking over a club they knew little about was to make money – fact. And so this has been played out.

    The facts are they have lied all the way through this. Lied about where the money was coming from, lied about securing the debt about the club, lied about diluting their shares, lied about Rafa, deceived Rafa, and deceived us all.

    Marc:” it relates to Liverpool FC’’s ability to mount a serious title challenge. So you go directly for the throats of the owners “.

    No it doesnt. Its got nothing to do with our league position. that is a seperate issue. The issue here is that the Americans have acting with absolute zero integrity and have undermined the club and the supporters.

    Regarding Benitez and performances it cannot be realistically expected for us to have won the league having spent considerably less money than United and Chelsea. 3rd realistically is fair and thats where we have finished including a highest league points total – so clearly rotation (which has been completely exaggerated) does work Marc.

    And a final word of warning. Whilst i too am aching for DIC to come buy us out. Whose to say what their intentions are? At least one things for sure, they have the financial clout to actually deliver on their promises, have a CEO who is a Lifelong Liverpool fan – who actually goes to see games, and it would see the end of these Jokers.

    EVERYBODY – LETS FORCE THESE MASKED RAIDERS OUT OF OUR CLUB!!!

    I am going to contact this website and other channels and see what we can do to get oust these jokers and show our support for Benitez. If they see us every matchday screaming we want them out then maybe we can make it happen.

    YNWA

  42. Oh, Marc, thanks for giving us all a really good laugh and someone upon whom to focus our displeasure. Is your real name Foster Gillette? You’re a stereotypical American pompous pseudo-intellectual, thinking he can cut it with people who have lived and breathed this club all of their lives, right back to Division Two and beyond. Do excuse us for not wanting this club to be yet another bastion of American cultural imperialism (I’m right in thinking you vote Republican aren’t I?), but much as we do have to recognise the realities of the modern game (that’s “football” to you), we’d rather not have it run by the likes of Abbot and Costello (note that I didn’t use the obvious “Laurel & Hardy” comparison. They, unlike our current owners, were funny).
    Go home to mummy now, little boy.
    YNWA.

  43. Sin… I suppose if you consider the three of you the bulk of the LFC supporters, then good on ya! I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re either a teenager with nothing better to do or you’re truly as xenophobic as you sound in print. Either way, I hope you represent a distinct minority who believe it is their divine right to bash anyone without direct roots to Merseyside. Tell you what, you’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine. Pretty much enough said. Bash on “lol” whatever the hell that means.
    p.s. I travel thousands of miles every year, twice a year to Anfield and I absolutely think the people of Liverpool are great! I don’t know where the hell you’re from, but thank you for never having crossed my path!

  44. Judas Priest! The difference is the number of draws folks. We just aren’t as far off the pace as the whiners alledge. Two good wingers and another reliable striker would strech defences and free StevieG and Babel to rip them to shreds.

    What does that imply? 30 – 40M? Another year or even two? So be it. Let’s just button up, deal with it amongst ourselves, and shut all the whiners and media up in good time, for good!

  45. It’s Melwood, it’s a Monday morning and it’s the weekly meeting. Rafa sits red-faced and frustrated in a low leather chair. Across from Rafa are Foster and Rick Parry. A translator waits demurely outside to assist with any communications problems.

    Outside Sissoko and Mascharano are knocking lumps out of each other. Everyone wants to be the centre forward and without the boss to supervise playtime there is a real danger that Stevie G is going to put the ball under his arm and walk home.

    Parry pours a coffee for Foster, adds sugar and stirs. He gazes into Foster’s eyes waiting for the saviour to speak.

    The eldest boy from the Brady Bunch clears his throat and speaks. “So, what we gonna do with that horse’s ass Voronin?”

    “You’re the boss Foster” says Parry, “if you don’t like him, get rid of him, in fact I’ll do it for you”

    “You just lookin at da back of heez head” says Rafa.

    “Don’t be rude Rafa” scolds Rick, “Foster simply asked a question”

    “What did he say Rick?” asks Foster, momentarily returning to the matter at hand.

    “He said you’re a d—head Foster – no need to bring the translator in”

    ——————————————–

    Parry fiddles while Anfield burns – but he won’t bite the hand the feeds him. He will feed Rafa Benitez to the lions to look like a company man. The new owners have raped the club of its dignity and made the supporters look like fools. They were welcomed to Anfield in good faith. The Kop rose and applauded their investment in the club. We were all to be part of one happy family and we would grow together. Unfortunately things have taken a cynical twist.

    The owners clearly don’t give a possum’s tail for the Club. They manage by remote control with their fingers firmly pressed on the pause and mute buttons. Pause the money and mute the manager. What does Foster Gillett know about football, or running a football club? He’s simply there to sign the cheques and to make sure that nobody spends any of daddy’s money. That won’t happen, and the owners will go. They will make a handsome profit from their involvement and the club will be crippled by debt to pay for it.

    Rick Parry is the biggest let-down. He’s obviously a complete fraud. If there were communications issues between the owners and the manager, why didn’t he clarify things? What exactly does he do anyway? The club has a website, a couple of shops and a mickey mouse TV station. Hardly a legacy to brag about. Every time I see him on Liferpool FCTV I get sick.

    And Rafa. At least Rafa has his heart in the right place. In his short tenure he’s had to change his priorities as the goalposts have been moved. In the beginning he had to shake up a squad and rebuild in the knowledge that he had very little money. Then it looked like he was getting a budget and he identified Torres, Malouda, Alves et al. It shortly became clear that there was no money. Now he can’t even sign Mascherano. His rotation policy doesn’t help, and until he gets real strength in depth he’s going to have to play his strongest squad and go for everything. Let the players fight for their places.

    There’s another Champions League there this year and if an owner with the club’s interests at heart comes along there may be money to put together a team next season to challenge for the league. Maybe rafa won’t be around next season. I hope he is – his loyalty deserves the loyalty of his employers.

    Parry, Gillet and Hicks should just ride out of town.

  46. To my dear Liverpudlians,

    Don’t be tricked into some “half-baked” stories from the papers or media. Don’t you see? They’re trying to split us into 2 groups, one who supports Rafa and the other The Yanks.

    All parties are GUILTY in this mess up.

    Tom & George: They’re GUILTY of misleading the supporters of this club with promises of HEAVEN, but delivering HELL. Running the club for profits not as long-term investments as they should have. No putting their own DOLLARS in this club, we can’t blame them as long as they don’t puts DEBTS on this club.

    Rafa: GUILTY of stirring up controversy in the media and fallout with his assistant, Pako. He’s clearly missed Paka’s works and assistance. The workloads are finally getting to him…

    The players: The lack of fighting spirits within the squad has lead to recent slump of form. We can see for ourselves who are Reds through and through on the pitch.

    The fans & supporters: Stop your moaning and inconsistent reports. Try to open your eyes or ears to be precise, how many of the reports are coming from the owners’ mouth or Rafa’s official interviews.

    Are all of you gonna let the papers and media dictate our fate? The owners has failed to convinced us but we should at least give them (Yanks) the time to sort out this mess and believe in Rafa. We loved our club, and hope Rafa and the owners come forward to clear the air before this being dragged into chaos.

    Keep the faith!

    YNWA,
    Red’s Fury™

  47. I write this with a heavy heart. It pains me to see the club I love and adore dragged through the gutter press like this. These two Yanks have not just made a laughing stock of OR club, they have made a mockery of all of us. I’ll be honest, these last few weeks I questioned wether or not Rafa could deliver us the league title, was he good enough, was it time to bring in someone like, dare I say it, Mourino. But after this latest fiasco, its clear were the problem lies. What these two cowboys know about Liverpool Football Club, and what it means to each and everyone of us, well, lets just say you could write it down on the back of a postage stamp with a paint brush. How could any man work under these conditions, let alone the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world. The way Rafa has been treated by these two gangsters is scandelous, and each and everyone of us has a duty to stand shoulder to shoulder with OR manager, and let these two upity Yanks know enough is enough, and its time for them to leave. I call on every red throughout the world to e mail the club, e mail Gillette and Hicks, and let them know they’re not welcome and most certainly not wanted. IN RAFA WE TRUST. YNWA *****

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